The second attempt to hold a LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered) pride march in Belgrade has failed. It was announced this morning that it has been cancelled due to security fears. The police and the state can’t guarantee the safety of Serbian citizens marching for tolerance, understanding and an end to discrimination.
Far right nationalist organisations and football hooligans have been threatening violence against the participants of the march, which was supposed to take place tomorrow, 20 September, in central Belgrade. The threats were serious: earlier in the week French football fans were beaten in downtown Belgrade while drinking coffee, with 1 Frenchman rushed to intensive care. Graffiti stating “death to faggots” (everyone seems to forget about the lesbians) and “we’re waiting for you” had appeared all over Belgrade these last weeks.
The march had been seen as a test for Serbia with world organisations, governments and Serbian celebrities calling for tolerance for and understanding of the LGBT community in Belgrade who face serious discrimination. The cancellation of the march, following a meeting between the organisers and the Serbian prime minister this morning, has shown that violent nationalists and hooligans are stronger than the entire Serbian police force.
In hindsight, maybe in face of such violence, it’s best that the march was cancelled. I wouldn’t want to see a repeat of the sickening violence that happened during the first Pride attempt in 2001. But then I can’t be happy that intolerance and threats of violence have stopped a section of Serbian society from having its voice heard.
I love living in Belgrade and Serbia, but I’m sad today because back home in the UK sexual orientation was not an issue. I hung out with gay, lesbian, bisexual and straight people. It did not matter to me who they fell in love with (or had one night stands with) and it did not mater to them. We valued each other’s personalities, common interests and the ability to have fun together. I wish the same for LGBT people in Serbia.
This was more than just a gay pride march. This was a chance to say no to violence and fear and yes to human rights. Tomorrow was a chance for Serbia to move forward.
It took a step back.
We’re all the same deep down.
Stop violence, stop nationalism, stop intolerance.
What do you think of the cancellation? Was it the right thing to do? Please let us know by leaving a comment.
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on Sep 19th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
I’m truly sad myself as this was a great attempt to take a step forward for Serbia, but unfortunately and as you say it took a step back.
I cannot say how sorry I am for the LGBT community in Serbia fighting for human rights and a “normal” way of life that they want. As a Swede, this is beyond any excuse that civilians can’t be protected.
To be honest, protection should be possible, for any group, but I think that the will isn’t just there.
I’m hoping that one day a normal daily life for ALL kinds of serbs will be possible.
on Sep 19th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
LGBTs are getting it wrong or getting it right, but itentionally presenting it wrong. I think I may say that I speak now for majority of Serbs: we don’t hate them. We just find them disgusting. If I see two women kissing on the street, I’ll get a hardon
But if I see two men doing same, I’ll be fighting urge to vomit. I think I’ve never seen a tranny and I hope it’ll stay like that. And we don’t care for them, like what they do in their private life, or even if they show off their love on the street. Of corse, far away from churches, graveyards, etc. But, what pokes us in eyes, is “the Parade”. It’s not just some downtown walk. It’s downtown walk until you get used to it, after which will be “let us get married (in church)”, “let us adopt kids”, “let us wear skirts in the office”…. until a new group comes saying “let us marry our daughters/dogs/that dead guy over there”. We see it coming. Gays started parading in US in 50s and now they got marriages there.
) and it’ll develop it’s way freely (unless we get under the pressure from the “our-opinion-is-the-only-good-opinion” guys who have bombs too). If God (destiny for some of you) wanted us to be all the same, same language, race, culture, etc. we’d live now around Baghdad and we’d be competing who will build higher tower.
Now, the big problem is – culture. Ours is based on something else than yours and in ours “parade” is over the top, too much. Now, how about you guys respect our culture for a bit? It’s been developing since Adam and Eve, (note that there is no such a thing as “Adam and Steve”
Now what if 95% some of population says “we don’t want that”? Should we listen them or ignore them? In first case we have democracy and in last autocracy or smth like that. What if 95% of Serbs are against that parade? It’s not just a bunch of a hooligans who are threatening 2000 police officers. It’s more like 7000000 citizens being angry because government is ignoring them. They all wont storm Belgrade’s downtown, but still, why doing it? Don’t you live long enough here, to realize that government don’t usually do only good for their people? Did you read our history? You know what happens when government ignore population? Exactly.
And finaly, what if some1 is gay? You’re about to hire new employees and while doing interview, after asking some of them “why are you so special, why would this company be better with you?” kind of questions and they answer “I’m gay, I’m proud to be it”….wtf? Man can be proud of his achievements, skills, school he finished, but proud for sexual orientation? wtf? bollox.
So, we don’t want them flying flag “we are gays, we want equal rights as rest of you” because such rights are marriage, kids, etc. If they like kicks in bum, fine, but keep it private. Now, that’s democracy. Why should we 95% change ourselves to accept bunch of them? Shouldn’t they adopt survival skills and try to live here? “When in Rome” kind of thing?
Maybe one day, our culture will be like Holland’s, but that takes time, measured in decades or centuries, not ages, not international gay lobby paying our gay lobbies to work as int. gay lobby wants… without connection with local customs. How did St.Patrick baptized whole Eire, when no1 even thought about it, not even as in science fiction? Because he didn’t follow strict Christian rules, like doing services in Latin only, ignoring and killing local customs, etc. The way gays work on making their wet dreams come true, they just bring more and more anger on themselves. They’re either too stupid or too masochistic or too poor, and while doing such, they’re getting money from some foreign lobby.
Now, if you know any Serbian, read this: http://www.dzejndou.com/?p=161 and my answer on it, this: http://www.dzejndou.com/?p=161#comment-1572 . Maybe visit my blog and search for label “gej”, maybe there’s something interesting too. Since you speak English, go here too: http://nation-building.blogspot.com/search?q=gay .Maybe, you’ll get clearer image, on what’s really going on, rather than what you see on B92
Good luck.
on Sep 19th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
I am so, so so disappointed. Not because of the cancellation per se but because of what Caldeia wrote – I don’t think there was much interest in protecting the participants of the parade in the first place, so it was easier to cancel it. It’s a disaster and I cannot express how sorry I feel about it.
on Sep 19th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Obelix,
I have to disagree with you on some points.
First of all, you say after the gay people, there will be groups who have sex with dead bodies, animals and siblings wanting rights. Gay people have slowly been more tolerated in the UK (and many other countries) over the last 30 years, and we haven’t had those groups show their faces demanding more rights. So that point is just stupid.
I really doubt gay people go into job interviews and say that being gay makes them special for the job. Why on earth would they do that?
Ah, I see. So two women kissing is sexy but you’re repulsed by gay men. Sure, that’s fine and perfectly normal. However, it doesn’t mean you should support discrimination againt the gay men. I find the thought of a fat people having sex (no offense intended) not particularly pleasant, but I don’t support (whether actively or just by not saying anything) fat couples be attacked, verbally assaulted, fired from jobs, made to feel worthless and sick.
The point is LGBT people are attacked, abused, refused from renting flats with their partners etc simply because of who they fall in love with or have sex with! I pretty sure they keep the sex to the bedroom (I’ve never seen people having sex in public), yet they are still attacked and discriminated against.
Why is it so hard to understand? LGBT pose no threat to anyone. If you find it repuslive, don’t watch the protest, which, as far as I understood, was going to be POLITICAL protest calling for an end to violence and discrimination, not some naked dance around the streets (which by the way is no different to Mardi Gras or those carnivals in Brazil).
Yes, people should be encourged to change their mind about LGBT people becase they are PEOPLE with the same problems and stuggles like the rest of us, except they have one more serious problem in Serbia – violent attacks and discrimination – for something which as far I can tell is completely natural. I have GLB friends and it makes me sick when I think that some people would want to smash their faces in just because of who they fall in love with.
But anyway, I doubt we’ll be able to agree on any of this! Two very different opinions but it’s good to have discussion
Oh, and one more thing. “Let us wear skirts in the office” – none of the gay men that I know want to wear female clothing. I think you’ll find that the majority of male cross-dressers are actually heterosexual
on Sep 19th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
I am, sorry to say, surprised by Obelix’s post and have to agree with Adam.
Some points I shortly want to discuss are the fact that Obelix say that foreigners supporting the gay pride is an ignorance of the Serbian culture. I’m sorry, what? Culture? If you look at wikipedia description http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture there is nowhere you can find sexual orientation as an aspect of culture. What I’m guessing you want to say is that it’s about the serbian traditions and sure that might be it. But being a homosexual or transsexual has to do with human rights as you should, as any human being be able to express yourself in the way you want. If you’re not able to do that, then it’s not a democracy you live in.
I’m sorry, once again, to say that your points are not well thought. If you consider yourself to live in a democracy then why should one group of people be denied to express whatever they want? If a group of pensioners should make a pride because they need more money etc, should they be denied to just because they’re old?
I agree with Adam saying that it’s not really likely a homosexual goes to a job interview and say that he/she is the best for the job because of his/hers sexual orientation. Do you express your sexual orientation when you go to a job interview? No, probably not.
There’s a picture of serbs being scared of the LGBT community to “take over their jobs and the whole world” etc. I’m sorry but they are just human beings who want to walk the street and not be afraid of being hurt. In Sweden, marriages among homosexuals is a right and soon adoptation is possible as well (if it isn’t already) and as a Swede, am I being bothered by this no? So what if they can get married, I don’t think you have to worry to be forced to attend their wedding. Any other “threat” I don’t think you’ll be able to face.
You also say that it’s ok for you that 2 women kiss but not 2 men. Why make the difference? Is it then ok, in a religious Serbia, that a married heterosexual woman/man have an affair with another heterosexual man/woman? No that’s probably not ok, but still somehow accepted by society. If people aren’t bothered about the homosexuals sex life (which they probably hold in their in bedroom) then what’s the fuzz about this whole thing.
Sorry to be rough but this is an issue that is about human beings and of course all opinions are welcome, but please you don’t have to beat people for that.
I’m glad there’s a discussion about this. Well written post Adam.
on Sep 19th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
1. Culture? Maybe I made a mistake. Maybe its tradition. Anyway you got it.
2. When I said democracy I meant democracy, like exactly what it means. Democracy =/= human rights. In Greek: Demos – people, kratos – power. A system in which people decide about their future, choosing representatives who make laws, favored by majority/all people. In ancient Athens, all citizens have been equal before the law, had great freedom to express themselves, some enjoyed kicks in bums, etc., but their slaves didn’t have any of that. That was democracy too.
In this case, if society is built on some tradition, on strong bond with religion (where priests say gay = lust = bad = no-no = hell), history, on family values, etc. and you have a small group asking for laws that would make their truth/point of view/hopes’n'dreams equal to majority’s, while in the same time they are opposite of majority’s, in majority’s eyes are amoral… how could/why should majority let that happen? Why would they let there be 2 or more morals in one state in the same time? Why would they allow something amoral to their beliefs be legal? I don’t get it. You tell me.
3. They (G,L) are sexual orientated minority? Is that how it’s called? Anyway, its deviation.. different than normal (sexual behavior/orientation). Normal is what is acceptable/common to great majority of people in some period of time, some age, in some area. If their (G,L) point of view is normal, there would be no you and me. There would be just Adam (not this guy
) and Steve and bunch of apes around them. 
Now, my opinion is if you recognize them like they aren’t deviant, other deviant groups would follow their steps. Pedophiles, Incestuous, Necrophilies (or however its called), etc.
That leads us to Caldeia’s second paragraph. “why should one group of people be denied to express whatever they want?” Well, you have right there. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough, or didn’t even say what I thought completely… “So lets give peace a chance and let everyone say what they mean”. Fine by me. But, they’ll be expressing something that will immedeately piss-off majority. Is that necessary? If we have freedom to speak what we mean, to organize, to fight for your goals, in a way it doesn’t hurt others, is there no red line, a no-no zone, which we shouldn’t cross, no matter what? Because, why would you not allow pedophiles have their parade, where they would ask for their human and sexual rights? Because, its an insult I think.
4. Making out – that was joke a bit. If I like 1 woman, I’d even more like seeing 1 more, doing something sexy
. But, my female friends think about that with as much joy as I think about men making out. But even then, I didn’t say “gimme law to stop that”, or “lets open their skulls, to see the coluor of their brain”! Beating people, no matter why, is bad idea and is and should remain sanctioned by the law and those who implement it. So, I guess that means abusing, firing from job, poking, etc. someone just because he does smth in his free time in his bedroom is completely insane and should be illegal. But then again, people who were in jail, find it hard to get job, be paid properly and resocialize and stay away from the crime… and I don’t see anyone making fuss about that!
5. If a brother and sister and their babies (!) come to your place, ask you to rent them flat, would you do it? Or a man and his goat? LOL They’ve also simply fell in love with someone/something, but still, that makes you feel like vomiting or smth like that, right?
But truth to be told, I don’t approve it (attacked, abused, refused…) And I do think they should somehow (underlined) fight for their piece of sunshine, for their way to say others they’ve been discriminated, abused, refused, etc. and that’s not a good way to threat human beings.
6. The parade – well, that’s the biggest problem here. They’d use it for telling others for their problems, but those who (tried to) organize that, also lobbied in public for gay marriages, etc. in a way like… “in your face”: “you have to accept us! you have to let us get married. you are all idiots, not illuminated, educated, people, your patriarch is idiot, bible is just a nice book and nothing else, you should all try it up you bum and you’ll know it’s good” etc. kind a speech. That’s “in your face”. That’s what has been pissing people in Serbia off last 10 years (since they appeared out of nowhere). They have wrong attitude, wrong way of approaching problems and trying to solve them. So, they are either extremely stupid or shamelessly mean, because such their lobbying opened eyes in Serbia, that there are gays and that they want something, but also made them object of hate. If you want to bring someone on your side, you give them cookies, not axe in forehead. They have to change their approach. They either don’t want to accept they’ve been doing it wrong, or that’s exactly what they like – doing it wrong, pissing people off, getting negative reaction and getting points for that. So, those LGBT’s who wanted to have a walk, were/are manipulated by wanna-be-sum1-important leaders.
7. Crossdressers – there’s a new anti discrimination law in Serbia. By which, if I fire my employee for dressing like a woman, while working with clients (can you imagine that?) he’ll sue me and……wait for this…..I’ll have to prove that kicking him from the job was not due sexual discrimination, but something else! Not that he’ll have to prove I did something wrong, but I will have to prove that I didn’t!!! Justice? Law? Brains? It’s bollox! And other such examples. If you fire some gay, he’ll easily call it sexual discrimination and you’ll go to jail or smth.
That’s true. Our politicians are geniuses. They’ve made that law. And of course, Constitutional Court (or how ever is it called) wont (underlined) say it was against the constitution or other laws or common sense, until some other party gets power. Thats how stuff (doesnt) work here. When Milosevic was breaking laws, that court was busy with something else. The moment he became citizen like you and me, they’ve found million mistakes. When police action “sabre” was going on, they didnt say anything. When others got power – it was declared against the constitution. Got the picture? Independent justice system? Yeah, right.
I guess I answered everything. Discussions ftw! See you on the next topic (or this if you have stamina
) 
Sorry for bad english, btw.
on Sep 19th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Oh, btw, I had too much on my mind, so forgot this part of Top Gear, which, guess why, reminded me on this topic. Enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HPZpYKCpwY
on Sep 19th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Hey Obelix,
LGBT is normal and entirely natural, but obviously not as prevalent as heterosexuality. Homosexuality has been observed in animals so I think that goes to prove that it’s pretty damn normal in nature?
There’s no less and no more gay people than any other time in history, just these days more people feel they can be who they are and not have to hide it so much. I really don’t think tolerating LGBT people is going to make the humanity end!
About the peadophiles, incest, necrophilia etc of course that can’t ever be tolerated. Giving LGBT people tolerance won’t result in tolerance for those groups. Two guys or two girls in a relationship hurts or threatens nobody. What’s the problem (give me one non-religious reason for it being a problem?). Peadophiles abuse children and I’m sure the relatives of a dead person would be distressed by someone having sex with body.
LGBT relationships can be just as deep and loving (or quick and shallow) as heterosexual relationships. Two gay friends back in the UK have been together for 6 years now – it’s no different to a straight relationship. Surely they deserve to be seen as normal people?
The UK has seen great growth in LGBT tolerance over the last 30 years, no peado, incest, necrophilia groups have demanded tolerance, not everyone is Britain has become gay or lesbian or want to change their gender. You can’t catch “the gay” or make other people gay. If that were the case, we’d all be gay right now surely?
PS: Your English is fine, my spelling and grammar is atrocious right now probably – hangovers and tiredness don’t help
on Sep 19th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Yeah, I saw that Top Gear episode! Bloody hell!
on Sep 20th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
It seems that Serbia has replaced the Milosevic regime with a coalition of centre-right and extreme-right politicians in Serbia. Is the Belgrade mayor tacitly supporting the ultra-nationalist thugs?
on Sep 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 am
The biggest problem in my opinion has not to do with LGBT peolple.
The parade could have been even the one of “stamps’ collectors, or “prince lazar without head’s friends” but the point is another one.
One more time the State proved not to be able to use its authority in blocking those extremist groups.
It’s sad, unfair and alarming for Serbia, as well as for the region’s other countries.
on Sep 22nd, 2009 at 11:48 am
Obelix,
I think Adam answered in a way I would have answered myself.
I would have no problems renting a flat to a homosexual couple. They are human beings – a goat is an animal.
It doesn’t work that way that you “turn gay” if you hang out with homosexual people. I have several gay friends and they have in no way made me homosexual.
If they would have taught sexual education in Serbia, people would have better knowledge about this. And to conclude the whole discussion, you would have known that all human beings are bisexual by nature.
on Sep 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 am
Excellent TopGear! =)
on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 10:12 am
sigh !!
bad page for serbia !
on Sep 23rd, 2009 at 10:32 pm
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on Sep 24th, 2009 at 10:49 am
To me, the bottom line is this: for whatever reason, the security forces did not want to/were unable to offer the parade’s participants maximum security. That is awful, but no surprise. I am also put out with ’soccer’ violence both at the stadium where ‘fans’ enjoy themselves by demolishing seats, security forces, and each other, and also by the hate crimes committed by such ‘fans’ like we’ve recently seen her with a French fan who (so it appears…) did little if anything to deserve to be beaten nearly to death. As I write this, he is still in critical condition.
I have no problem with homosexuals, at least no more than with certain hetereosexuals. I’m just the kind of person who doesn’t like to see heavy demonstrations of affection in public by heteros or gays. A kiss, a hug, okay, but not kissing while straddling each other on a public bench.
I believe people who appear to have issues with gays’ parading, renting apartments, or adopting children have more issues with themselves than with those they condemn.
on Sep 24th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
I can only echo and support what Adam and Caldeia said, so I’ll just mention two things…
Obelix:
There is no such thing as “tradition”. Traditions are invented, and people choose to emphasise particular aspects of tradition to suit what they are trying to say, and to give your view more political credibility. An awful lot of things – most things – can be “traditional” if you want it to be. So, sorry, I happen to think that “traditional Serbian culture” is a poor excuse for telling LGBTs to “keep it in the bedroom”. Whatever “traditional Serbian Culture” is has changed quite dramatically in the past 30 years, with certain parts of the narrative (re)emphasized to suit a particular political discourse.
Related to this… Men in skirts. Who cares? This is a western, modern construct, dominated by what is currently socially acceptable. 100 years ago, it was frowned upon for women to wear trousers in Britain – this only started to change during the First World War, and the idea of women wearing trousers was radical until the 1930s. Right up to the 1970s, it was thought to be a bit “tomboyish” to wear trousers. I am wearing trousers today, and no-one thinks that i’m radical, or a tomboy. Go back 200 years, and across Europe you will find that all upper-class children (boys and girls) under the age of five wore dresses. Look to parts of the Middle East, Asia and Africa, and you can see skirt or dress like outfits being worn. Granted, if my boss did his presentation tomorrow wearing a skirt, I would probably do a double-take, but it would not influence my judgement of his ability to do a very good job, and nor would it affect my view of his sexuality.
It might influence my judgement of his legs though!!!
on Sep 29th, 2009 at 8:02 am
No traditions, eh? A man and his son, wake up before the dawn, go to woods, chop down an oak tree, take it back home at christmas eve and party goes on… whats that if it lasts for more than 1400 years? Not a tradition? Greening rivers on St.Patrick’s day? Eating turkeys? No, this all were retorical questions.
“Who cares? This is a western…” Since topic is about Serbia “this” would mean Serbia? If that was your thought, you’re wrong. This isn’t western. This is eastern. Pick up a map and a history book. So, if you on western have your games’ rules, we here have ours. Orthodox civilization – different rules, different morales. Respect it. We don’t tell you what to do. You do tell us what to do. It’s so Bush-ish.
Finally, what do I think of the “parade” and stuff around it? Every men should be able to protest and fight for their goals, in the way it doesn’t hurt any1 else, or public morale, etc. What LGBTs wanted wasn’t “samba de janeiro kind of gay parade”, but a political protest, to explain public about their state, rights, difficulties, etc. I’d support it. But they called it “parade” – fatal error. In western, that works, here it works other way. Call it political protest, don’t look or act like clowns, don’t use “in your face” tactics and don’t have leaders already hated by everyone else. And you’ll have a chance.
Obama says “we’ll listen”. How about to try it now?
on Sep 29th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Obelix,
Please do not believe all of Western Europe is a part of Bush regime. We respect your traditions and know they are different in Serbia, but you have to let go of the thought that we all are the same in Western Europe as well.
I have a feeling that this discussion is more about serbs hate against westeners and that is not the focus. That in fact is a tradition itself and should change. There are good people in this world as well.
on Sep 29th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
I was replying Lora, not everybody in Western Europe. I’m not that big idiot, you know…
But your reply gave me a good idea. Afaik, it wasn’t mentioned yet anywhere, so here it goes (might be a good insight on part of our mentality):
When there is a case like this: gay parade, anti-war march, save polar bears walk, you name it… foreign embassies feel need to support it. Because, their countries support such things back home, they fight for it everywhere, they think it’s their duty… to give one more voice for achievement of some big goal. Which is all good. And, there is a “but..”…when you have a case which polarizes this society and embassies stand for what they think is all good – people here don’t like it. They take it as “divide et impera”. Mostly because western countries have been leading 2 wars against us, 10 – 15 years ago. And we all still remember how was that, in details.
Maybe this deserved another topic, but who knows when would that happen
on Nov 11th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Obelix, the parade wasn’t about any society telling any other society what to do. It was about empowering and uplifting a minority that have always faced discrimination.
Tradition as you call it has nothing to do with sexual politics. I would think tradition is something grander and far more beautiful than that-tradition is music, festivities, literature; not practices which amount to discrimination or hostility.
Cultural relativity is bullshit when it comes to human rights. Human rights are something that are universal and common to all of us. Would it be ok for countries to deny women their full rights, based on an excuse that it is against tradition?
Attitudes towards homosexuals vary from one society to another. However, societies are not stagnant-they evolve, change and develop. I would like to see all ex-yugoslav nations heading towards greater acceptance of their LGBT communities and awarding them rights on par with the rest of society.
I agree that nothing should be pushed on us..however WE should be the ones doing the pushing for this. It is not only the western nations who would want to see greater LGBT rights but many yugoslavians themselves.
And what you said about democracy, remember: a society is not judged on how it treats its majority, but how it treats its minority.
We’ve had equal rights for all citizens since the formation of the former yugoslavia in 1945, no matter the sex/race/ethnicity/religion. We respected human rights around the world, and refused to have relations with some nations who did not. Why not build on this “tradition” then?
on Nov 11th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
“We’ve had equal rights for all citizens since the formation of the former yugoslavia in 1945, no matter the sex/race/ethnicity/religion. We respected human rights around the world, and refused to have relations with some nations who did not. Why not build on this “tradition” then?”
Erm… O RLY?!
Informbiro? Nationalization? Banning religious festivals? Closing/demolishing churches? Class enemies? Taking away civil rights from those with different opinion? One party? One TV channel? Public enemies? UDB?
Refused to have relations? Like with W. Germany? Or Israel? But we had them with Arabic nations (no woman rights whatsoever, no other religions, great laws – you cheat your wife, they cut your guess what), USSR (gulags, Siberia anyone?), China, Iraq, Libya, countries with presidents for life…
YA RLY… Why not build something on that tradition… LOL! Get some facts first
Minorities? Communists in USA just after WW2? Or black? Or Native Indians? Cubans perhaps? Maybe Mexicans? Aborigines Down Under? N. Ireland Catholics? Roma people in Italy? Oh, p-lease!
“Human rights are something that are universal and common to all of us.” Us? Who? Speaking, laughing, breathing, sex, food, drinks… might be universal… you go explain women rights in Afghanistan. Or secular country in Saudi Arabia. Wearing crosses/Jew caps/Muslim scarves in French schools. Different opinions in Myanmar. Speed limits on Ilse of Man. Food in Ethiopia.
Oh, p-leeease! 
Lol, I could go on and on all day.
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